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For what? How about for an improved vaccine. Why accept version 1 when doing so confers antibodies for a strain that has, per your recent post on lab leaks, been reengineered twice. The effectiveness of the current vaccine is also debatable. You might say that since it offers some protection its better than nothing, and if you believe that “Vaccines simply don’t have long-term effects…” then I can understand that position. But vaccines do have long term effects. The antibodies they confer stick around for a lifetime, and the first antibodies you get for a particular infection are of particular importance. There is a paper written by Thomas Francis JR, MD in the 1960s called ‘More on Original Antigenic Sin’ that describes just how consequential that first infection or vaccine is. In the paper he states that “The antibody of childhood is largely a response to the virus causing the first Type A influenza infection of the lifetime. As the group grows older and subsequent infections take place, antibodies to additional families of virus are acquired. But the antibody which is first established continues to characterize that cohort of the population throughout its life. The antibody forming mechanisms have been highly conditioned by the first stimulus, so that later infections with strains of the same type successively enhance the original antibody to maintain it at the highest level at all times in that age group. The imprint established by the original virus infection governs the antibody response thereafter. This we have called the doctrine of original antigenic sin.” Considering all of that I still support vaccines, but don’t think its fair to treat all vaccines as equal. It is possible for a vaccine to miss the mark on the imprinting of the virus, and handicap all future immune responses for that virus if it serves as the first exposure. In cases where we are seeing rapid, unexplained, and unprecedented changes in strains of SARS2, that is a real possibility. I hope that a vaccine can be developed that accounts for these things but I have a hard time believing the current vaccine has cracked the code. I was willing to take the chance personally, but I have found it hard to come to the same conclusion for my children. So I think I’m going to wait. Not because I think the vaccine is unsafe, but because I’m not convinced it’s a good candidate for original antigenic response for the rest of their lives.

More on that topic can be found on another substack here: https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/more-on-original-antigenic-sin-and

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Respectfully, I disagree with the statement that the mRNA vaccines are safe. The original vaccine safety papers from Pfizer and Moderna show more severe outcomes for the vaccine than the placebo group. "Severe outcomes" means "severe adverse events" or "severe COVID-19", which are both defined by the FDA who carefully standardize their terms. The trials were too small to show a statistically significant signal in any direction for more serious things like critical illness/events or death, but the signal for the weaker category "severe" shows the opposite of safety.

More details: https://norstadt.substack.com/p/severe-adverse-events-vs-severe-covid

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